Children being killed....

[edkrak]

Ok, let's get this topic back on track. I remember seeing on CG film where at a screenshot was a baby in a cradle and over it was someone's hand with a dagger. I think that this baby got stabbed seconds later. Probably 70s or 80s eurohorror. Anybody knows this one?

[MrAnt]

@Spunkie (lol)

Are you dumber than your handle?.. I mean anyone can see where I am! And nice try about being evangelist, where again your wrong. So all I see is a little person clutching at straws! More diversion from the points. And I can say that because you hardly took the time to think about your message. (At least enough to miss my location) And why would you think you could guess my faith?, miss!

Lashing out?

You also let yourself down by going there!, which I (and TheDenizen). Both avoided.
So you know some scripture, we'll done. But you dont know what it means! And was what I said wrong? Or is it not an illustration that the concept of NOT entertaining the 'dark side', has been around a lot longer than any of you admit.

What your ALL in danger of doing here, is replacing what is good with what is evil and evil with good. Like TheDenizen trying to create a difference between listing scenes of child abuse & murder from.. people who collect real scenes of child abuse & murder.

Yes one is real and the other isnt.
Thats the only difference I can see!
Please I am being sincere I am interested in how YOU see it. Explain it to me! People have so far gotten too emotional to respond to me straight (and like an adult) And It has been a teenager who has been most communacative, in my opinion intelligent and respectful!

How old are you dude?

[Spunkie]

@Spunkie (lol)

I deleted the message long before you replied, so this will seem astray to outsiders. I have written in anger which I almost never do and not without reason. Evangelist comment was just to provoke you and you replied as foreseen, jumping to conclusions is what you have been doing. Crushing the spectrum of human actions into evil/good is you point of view and is a very shortsighted one. I don't need to live in a flowerbed of ignorance to have a moral compass. Fiction cinema reflects anything within the range of cinemamakers imagination and isn't necessarily in correlation with reality even if it's a derivation of accumulated reality.

When there is a noisy child I'm stuck in the same space, I can fantasize about ripping his head off and slam it into the basket just to blow off steam. What stops me from doing so isn't the consequences, I am not in the least serious in the first place. I am a member of a predator species and have the possibility of violence within my instincts, acknowledging my nature makes inner peace easier to attain, drawing bars does not.

The main point you're missing is the nature of exploitation/shock cinema. It is (as is most of the films exemplified in the topic) rarely serious on the subject. Whether it's serious or not when it's potent enough to provoke the viewer into some kind of response, it's duty is done. Pedophilia needs to be considered throughly in mainstream cinema as well, but it's abhored in such an extent that even the name calls for a quick dismissal. What makes these trash movies entertaining is how far over the top they are willing to get on the borders hypocritical -normal- cinema is cleansed off. You can see how old I am in my profile.

[TheDenizen]

Ok, let's get this topic back on track. I remember seeing on CG film where at a screenshot was a baby in a cradle and over it was someone's hand with a dagger. I think that this baby got stabbed seconds later. Probably 70s or 80s eurohorror. Anybody knows this one?

I dunno, but you reminded me of the scene from Pay it Forward where [spoiler]Haley Joel Osment gets stabbed[/spoiler], and that made me smile.

and MrAnt I thought you were going to leave us to our fun?

[MrAnt]

I am!?

But if people address me, then I'll respond!
I am now a member of this site.. So I'm just checking out your stuff!

And I do watch a lot of movies. And I love debating.. And as you know I have a tendancy for the Polemic.
So.. I'll be about!

(I just noticed Spunkie's 'proper' reply but I'm at ork so I'll get to this after!

[TheDenizen]

And I do watch a lot of movies. And I love debating.. And as you know I have a tendancy for the Polemic.
So.. I'll be about!

great. This thread is for people to list movie scenes where kids get killed. If you don't want to do that, please don't post in this thread. If you want to start your own discussion thread to debate the morality of people who enjoy violence in movies, go for it. That goes for everyone. Let's keep this on topic please.

[MrAnt]

..Evangelist comment was just to provoke you and you replied as foreseen, jumping to conclusions is what you have been doing..

You say I jumped to conclusions? Or was it YOU that 'jumped'?

Crushing the spectrum of human actions into evil/good is you point of view and is a very shortsighted one. I don't need to live in a flowerbed of ignorance to have a moral compass. Fiction cinema reflects anything within the range of cinemamakers imagination and isn't necessarily in correlation with reality even if it's a derivation of accumulated reality.

I call it as I see it! And what I see is wickedness. Don't think that I havnt noticed the subtle shift you guys are trying to make in you're arguments! As though the purpose of this thread is for "Fiction cinema" as you put it! LOOK AT THE COMMENTS! It's not me saying this! It is all the people here. The attempt to present this tread as some kind of critical analysis, is disproved by the people who have already commented here!

When there is a noisy child I'm stuck in the same space, I can fantasize about ripping his head off and slam it into the basket just to blow off steam..

Really!

Anyway,
this is far from a discussion about exploitation/shock cinema. There has been a little talk here about the obscure torture porn genre. Which in my opinion is the closest classification I can give this thread. And you know something, if these were scenes of teenagers or adults, I would feel the same way.

But were talking about children, the younger & the more horrific the deaths' the better. Does that really have a place in cinema? And if your honest with yourself, you know that even though I am the only one saying these things.
I'm not the only one thinking them.

And I think this from TheDenzien kinda summs things up dont you?

great. This thread is for people to list movie scenes where kids get killed. If you don't want to do that, please don't post in this thread. If you want to start your own discussion thread to debate the morality of people who enjoy violence in movies, go for it

So all I am saying and have explained in detail is that THIS IS WRONG! And above is why! So it's up to you and people like you, if you want to be like that. Or be seen to be like that! But I'll call it every time!

[TheDenizen]

OK we're all wrong and you're right and we're horrible people who are going to burn in Hell.

Will you please get the fuck out of my thread now? I've asked you nicely twice to stop posting off topic, but I've been ignored and I'm through being nice with you.

No one is interested in your moral compass or your point of view. You aren't going to change anyone's mind. We are all going to continue to watch and enjoy whatever we want regardless of your brilliant missives on torture porn. Your presence here is accomplishing nothing but causing strife.

I've established what the point of this thread is, so contribute to it or shut the fuck up.

For the record, I've been a regular poster on these forums for over a year and I've never had a single angry exchange with another user. But you are being such an ignorant asshole that I have lost any semblance of tolerance or patience. I am DONE with you.

If you post off topic again in this thread, you'll be reported to the site admins.

[ShogunRua]

If you post off topic again in this thread, you'll be reported to the site admins.

I already did that as far back as yesterday, but I think mpowell is the only active board moderator, and he is pretty busy and doesn't log in regularly.

[Anomaly]

Alright everyone, no need to get so worked up about this. Let's just calm down, relax, do whatever it is that calms you down, like maybe listen to some music-

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