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by ShogunRua
Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:03 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Good for him. He's an old hippy without a family to look after. Why not? That's different from a man in his 30s with young kids who is so desperate for some fourth-rate fame and acknowledgment.

Also, here's another key difference; Walter intended to be a folk singer before the documentary was ever released, which he mentions in both "King of Kong" and "Ghosts of the Arcade". It's just something he enjoyed. Wiebe only decided to do so after the fame he got from the hatchet job.


I'am not bashing Walter for his career-change, I just found it funny. You're trying to polarise the issue (again). That's a nasty habit you got there.

Anyways, I just found this related docu: "Chasing Ghosts: Beyond the Arcade". It even got a decent score from you. It's on my wish-list.


Yeah, it's a damn good documentary, unlike "The King of Kong".

It simply presents these guys as they are, without any fancy editing. Everything good, bad, pathetic, and commendable is exposed, solely through their own recollections and behavior. It also delves much deeper into the subject matter, with a lot of archival footage, amusing anecdotes, and neat facts.

Check it out.
by td888
Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:41 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

ShogunRua wrote:Good for him. He's an old hippy without a family to look after. Why not? That's different from a man in his 30s with young kids who is so desperate for some fourth-rate fame and acknowledgment.

Also, here's another key difference; Walter intended to be a folk singer before the documentary was ever released, which he mentions in both "King of Kong" and "Ghosts of the Arcade". It's just something he enjoyed. Wiebe only decided to do so after the fame he got from the hatchet job.


I'am not bashing Walter for his career-change, I just found it funny. You're trying to polarise the issue (again). That's a nasty habit you got there.

Anyways, I just found this related docu: "Chasing Ghosts: Beyond the Arcade". It even got a decent score from you. It's on my wish-list.
by ShogunRua
Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:16 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

td888 wrote:
BTW, did you know that Walter retired as a referee and is now pursuing a singing career?
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/06/walte ... ame-to-be/


Good for him. He's an old hippy without a family to look after. Why not? That's different from a man in his 30s with young kids who is so desperate for some fourth-rate fame and acknowledgment.

Also, here's another key difference; Walter intended to be a folk singer before the documentary was ever released, which he mentions in both "King of Kong" and "Ghosts of the Arcade". It's just something he enjoyed. Wiebe only decided to do so after the fame he got from the hatchet job.
by td888
Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:09 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

ShogunRua wrote:Just look through this topic; someone posted a Christian music album Wiebe has released to capitalize on his limited fame. The guy is a desperate loser through and through.

Aah, new tactics and a new bait. But I'm not hungry this time....

BTW, did you know that Walter retired as a referee and is now pursuing a singing career?
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/06/walte ... ame-to-be/

by td888
Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:53 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong - Official / Walter's Statement

ShogunRua wrote:What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.
So your only "proof" is the word of a director who has been caught lying multiple times in his work? Clearly, you don't understand what the word means.
And why in the world would Mitchell have the receipts? I have payed for other peoples' lunches and dinners before. Since it's for someone else, I pay in cash, not check, and thus, don't keep any receipts.

You think Gordon is lying. I think he's not. It's that simple. I show proof Gordon paid, you didn't show me any proof Mitchell paid. When I pay for a lunch whether via cash, card or visa, I still get a receipt.

ShogunRua wrote:Oh, so you do admit it after all?

Admit what? You are so caught up in 'proofing' the Gordon is a lyer, you are totally missing the point. Mitchell is a douche because he didn't show up at the championship, but send a tape instead (while he bombasted Wiebe before for doing the same thing). That's douchey to me.

ShogunRua wrote:Uh...did you even watch the documentary you claim to be defending? A major subplot was that TwinGalaxies supposedly didn't accept Wiebe's high score.

Again, besides the point. Doesn't have anything to do with Mitchell being a douche.

ShogunRua wrote:* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.

ShogunRua wrote:The tape proves that Mitchell's new high score was legitimate, not cheated, as the documentary implied.
And by golly, you're right; Mitchell following the standard submission rules that everyone else does for Twin Galaxies makes him a douche. To be a non-douche, he would have had to circumvent the normal publication route!
Yeah. Makes total sense. (Insert eye-roll)

Yes exactly, if Mitchell had some balls, he would have gone to play life as well. As Wiebe was doing.

ShogunRua wrote:You just admitted above that they were!

Nope. Adjust your reading skills.

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

It has already been explained in this thread before.

ShogunRua wrote:Exactly what did I take out of context there? You call a respected, much-liked referee who has been doing his job for 30 years a liar. You dismiss the entire subforum he wrote documenting the falsehoods in "The King of Wrong".
So I ask you again...where is your proof?

Nope, your taking my words out of context again. I never said that, I said something about omitting or changing certain facts. That's not the same. Again, adjust your read skills.

ShogunRua wrote:And nope, repeating "Mitchell is a douche! Mitchell is a douche!" ten thousand times doesn't count.

The same goes for screaming Gordon is a liar.

ShogunRua wrote:During this exhaustive argument, I have linked to statements from former Twin Galaxies head referee Walter Day, the assistant referee shown in the film (forgot his name), Billy Mitchell, video game filmmaker Jason Wilson, and others in the community. There are actual pictures and write-ups supporting their word.

Nope, they are all the same source.

ShogunRua wrote:All you have linked to is a single informal interview with the director and his claims of a receipt that doesn't exist.

And some other claims as well. What's your point?

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link,

But of course! I wouldn't expect anything more.

You expect me to give the exact background details of my arguments, while you don't have to? I cannot be bothered to watch this docu again just to prove some point to you. It will be pointless anyway.
by ShogunRua
Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:00 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong - Official / Walter's Statement

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.


What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.

If Gordon says he has the receipts, is enough proof me. If you're so egg-headed you want to see the scans, that's your problem. Let Mitchell proof he has the receipts.


So your only "proof" is the word of a director who has been caught lying multiple times in his work? Clearly, you don't understand what the word means.

And why in the world would Mitchell have the receipts? I have payed for other peoples' lunches and dinners before. Since it's for someone else, I pay in cash, not check, and thus, don't keep any receipts.

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

I did not admit to this. You're putting words in my mouth (again).


Oh? Re-read what you wrote on the second page of this topic. While you downplayed their significance, at no point do you dispute those three points. The director himself doesn't offer any defense of those obvious and well-documented lies.

Unlike the restaurant, he doesn't have any phantom receipts to hide behind.

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.

before the docu.


Oh, so you do admit it after all?

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.

So, what does that prove?


Uh...did you even watch the documentary you claim to be defending? A major subplot was that TwinGalaxies supposedly didn't accept Wiebe's high score.

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.


The tape proves that Mitchell's new high score was legitimate, not cheated, as the documentary implied.

And by golly, you're right; Mitchell following the standard submission rules that everyone else does for Twin Galaxies makes him a douche. To be a non-douche, he would have had to circumvent the normal publication route!

Yeah. Makes total sense. (Insert eye-roll)

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

No, they're not.


You just admitted above that they were!

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?
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td888 wrote:You're taking my words out of context. I said Walter is in the Mitchell camp. Therefore his actions and what he said about this matter cannot be taken as the plain truth.


Exactly what did I take out of context there? You call a respected, much-liked referee who has been doing his job for 30 years a liar. You dismiss the entire subforum he wrote documenting the falsehoods in "The King of Wrong".

So I ask you again...where is your proof?

And nope, repeating "Mitchell is a douche! Mitchell is a douche!" ten thousand times doesn't count.

td888 wrote:Which multiple ordinary folks? You haven't shown me anything, but one website from one guy.


During this exhaustive argument, I have linked to statements from former Twin Galaxies head referee Walter Day, the assistant referee shown in the film (forgot his name), Billy Mitchell, video game filmmaker Jason Wilson, and others in the community.

There are actual pictures and write-ups supporting their word.

All you have linked to is a single informal interview with the director and his claims of a receipt that doesn't exist.

I rest my case.

td888 wrote:Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link,


But of course! I wouldn't expect anything more.
by td888
Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:26 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong - Official / Walter's Statement

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.


What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof.

If Gordon says he has the receipts, is enough proof me. If you're so egg-headed you want to see the scans, that's your problem. Let Mitchell proof he has the receipts.

ShogunRua wrote:Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

I did not admit to this. You're putting words in my mouth (again).

ShogunRua wrote:* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.

before the docu. Doesn't make Mitchel less of a douche. Again, Mitchel didn't show up at the championship shown in the docu, but opted to send a tape instead (contradicting his own words). That does make him a douche.

ShogunRua wrote:* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.

So, what does that prove?

ShogunRua wrote:* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

So, what does that prove? You are missing the point. The fact the send a tape made him a douche.

ShogunRua wrote:That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

No, they're not.

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

You're taking my words out of context. I said Walter is in the Mitchell camp. Therefore his actions and what he said about this matter cannot be taken as the plain truth.

ShogunRua wrote:Right now, we have already proved that the filmmaker Gordon has lied on three separate occasions. Even the other people in this topic arguing against me and in favor of the work write that it was "clear exaggeration" in the best case.

It's still 'I' not 'we'.

ShogunRua wrote:And yet, you take his word over the word of multiple ordinary folks with no reason to lie, and no proof that they have ever been dishonest?

Which multiple ordinary folks? You haven't shown me anything, but one website from one guy.

ShogunRua wrote:You've already made up your mind, and are distorting the facts to fit them, not the other way around.

As have you. As I said before, it all depends on who you choose to believe. You are the one getting anal and frustated about this whole subject, not me.

ShogunRua wrote:I don't remember Billy ever complaining about Wiebe breaking his record by tape in the documentary. Rather, he states that live play is an important component in addition to the actual record games on VHS. This is in the context of his now friend Steve Sanders, who claimed he got 3 million on Donkey Kong in the early 1980s, but couldn't even crack 300,000 when playing against Billy in real life.
If you believe otherwise, link me to the relevant part of "The King of Wrong" on Youtube.

Yes, Micthell did complain. I'm not going to find this link, for the same reason you don't backup your claims in detail as well.
by ShogunRua
Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:43 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong - Official / Walter's Statement

frederic_g54 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Well, I would have appreciated it if you responded to my own reply, but instead, you ignored over half of what I wrote.


after one resorts to name-calling, I pay less attention.


Like I wrote on the last page;

ShogunRua wrote:
frederic_g54 wrote:*hoping one won't resort to name-calling*


Funny that you preface your post with this, and then proceed to type up an extremely rude response. Why are you so surprised when that behavior is reciprocated by me?


frederic_g54 wrote:EDIT, never mind, just read your previous post


So you finally read it after I posted it twice already? I just don't get it; if you don't care to read my posts, and admit it won't change your mind regardless, why were you so insistent on getting my interpretation?

td888 wrote:Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.


What do these receipts show? What is on them? Has he ever shown these receipts to anyone, or scanned and uploaded them on the web? That would have been proof. Not his word, which is already worth less than mud, considering even you admitted he lied about three critical points in his video;

* Yes, Mitchell and Wiebe actually played one another head to head in a live setting, a year before the documentary.
* Yes, Wiebe was actually recognized as a world record holder.
* And finally yes, Mitchell's tape was actually legitimate.

That's three major plot points, all making Mitchell look bad, that were falsehoods.

td888 wrote:
ShogunRua wrote:Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.


Oh? Care to explain why you believe that?

Right now, we have already proved that the filmmaker Gordon has lied on three separate occasions. Even the other people in this topic arguing against me and in favor of the work write that it was "clear exaggeration" in the best case.

And yet, you take his word over the word of multiple ordinary folks with no reason to lie, and no proof that they have ever been dishonest?

You've already made up your mind, and are distorting the facts to fit them, not the other way around.

td888 wrote:I'm not complaning about the rules. This is the douchey part: Wiebe sends in tape of him breaking the record. Mitchell complains that he didn't do it life. Ok, so Wiebe does it again, life with audience. Then Billy sends his own tape. Ergo, Billy is a douche because he contradicts his own words by sending a tape.


I don't remember Billy ever complaining about Wiebe breaking his record by tape in the documentary. Rather, he states that live play is an important component in addition to the actual record games on VHS. This is in the context of his now friend Steve Sanders, who claimed he got 3 million on Donkey Kong in the early 1980s, but couldn't even crack 300,000 when playing against Billy in real life.

If you believe otherwise, link me to the relevant part of "The King of Wrong" on Youtube.

td888 wrote:Read on the Twin Galaxies forums what other users have to say about Mitchell. He is certainly regarded a skilled arcade player, but considered quite a douche by his typical behaviour and actions.


Link?
by td888
Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:21 am
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:Listen to what the Gordon said about this subject (1st hand). He is the one holding the receipts of the lunch, not Mitchell. And Mitchell still didn't have lunch with Wiebe. Still a douche.

So again, where is this fucking proof? Where are these receipts? How do they show Mitchell didn't pay for Wiebe's lunch?

Hahaha, you really are grasping at straws here. If Gordon says he has the receipts, it means he has paid for the lunch. You can twist and turn what you want but that's the fact.

ShogunRua wrote:Now that we have worked out the documentary is a bunch of lies, and you have nothing to offer besides repeating "Mitchell is a douche! Mitchell is a douche!" like some deranged parrot, let's get to one final point;

We? You mean 'you'.

ShogunRua wrote:Again, Walter Day is a longtime respected, impartial head referee.

No. he's obviously not.

ShogunRua wrote:Go to the Twin Galaxies website and read what they say about submission of potential new records.
Every player must send in a video of their record-breaking game. No exceptions. Those are the RULES.
Wiebe did this earlier in the "documentary" when he captured the record (which Gordon conveniently didn't note). Mitchell did it later. Every single player listed as a world record holder on Twin Galaxies has done this. What are you complaining about?

I'm not complaning about the rules. This is the douchey part: Wiebe sends in tape of him breaking the record. Mitchell complains that he didn't do it life. Ok, so Wiebe does it again, life with audience. Then Billy sends his own tape. Ergo, Billy is a douche because he contradicts his own words by sending a tape.

Read on the Twin Galaxies forums what other users have to say about Mitchell. He is certainly regarded a skilled arcade player, but considered quite a douche by his typical behaviour and actions.
by frederic_g54
Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:19 pm
Forum: Movie-Specific
Topic: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
Replies: 63
Views: 34103

Re: The King of Kong - Official / Walter's Statement

*hoping one won't resort to name-calling*
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td888 wrote:Issue #4 - Why Billy Mitchell's Videotape score was Accepted
Though Billy is quoted numerous times throughout the movie as stating that \"live\" performances are more important.


Why does he send a tape? His actions contradicts his own words.


+1, a valid point



Billy: "video games are meant to be played in a competitive environment, under pressure, organized... when the pressure's that hard, I'll have to do it in the public form, as I always have"

always...

ShogunRua wrote:I keep naming facts, figures, and testimony


perhaps if you weren't so interested in facts, numbers (boxofficemojo !!! :roll:) and corroborations, you'd bring your own interpration/opinion to the table.

also, are you lightning05012000 ?

ShogunRua wrote:Now that we have worked out the documentary is a bunch of lies


now you're just putting words in td888's mouth

ShogunRua wrote:
td888 wrote:“Some say I’m being cocky. Some say I’m being lazy. I say, I’m being Billy Mitchell."

Confirms it again.


Enlighten me sir; what is so douchey about that quote?


I would be less unforgiving if athletes were involved (something you hardly encounter). A 45 year old self-congratulatory hot sauce selling hippie who's only out to preserve his 30-year-old video game record title is something else.

There's "sounding cool" and sounding like "an arrogant prick" (~douche). His entire world would collapse if he'd lose his title, though since that chance is practically nonexistent (he's obviously a great player), he uses it to his own advantage by becoming a "self-created construct as an icon" as Gordong puts it.

heck, if you're into facts, numbers and this case quotes (from Billy himself), I think the video I posted above speaks for itself (part 2 on youtube):

please note how this video praises him in a sympathetic light, its also made clear how Walter Day is anything but impartial:

- Billy: "I'm sorry, I'm just showing off here"
- "very confrontational, competitive"
- Billy (very proud about it): "ooh you think you know more about the game than the people who made them ? euhm, yeah they told me I do"
- Billy: "I'd be lying if I told you I didn't enjoy it"
- Billy: "What do you mean how is that possible, because I'm Billy Mitchell"
- Billy: (exercising pressure) "someone says today, I got a high score in gaming, I say, yeah, how much did it cost you"
- Billy: "if everything's rolling my way... (laughing) there's some poor bastard out there who's getting the screws put to him"[/i]
- Billy: the people who could get, besides myself, that had been seen getting to the end of DK...gee know that I think about it, I don't think anybody has. (already knew the answer/entire phrase as you can tell by his look)
- Billy: "Billy Michel always has a plan"

and last but not least (jeesh, how competitive is this guy),

Billy: It's annoying when somebody's ahead of you... I always wanted the view

if his own quotes don't make it crystal clear, I don't know what will